tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post1290681590993001988..comments2024-03-13T15:35:30.839+00:00Comments on Tabloid Watch: Scaremongering about immigrants and jobsMacGuffinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16894506410560858668noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-9211148668860365812010-05-26T15:23:09.767+01:002010-05-26T15:23:09.767+01:00MacGuffin: thanks for making the change, I have to...MacGuffin: thanks for making the change, I have to correct myself slightly! The definition of "migrant" as living outside one's country of birth is actually used by the UN Population Division for its global migrant stock database (http://esa.un.org/migration/index.asp?panel=5) rather than the UN Recommendations, which rather relate to "country of usual residence". Oopsie on my part, but it's still not totally illegitimate if you're talking about country of birth to call a foreign-born person an "immigrant".<br /><br />You're right, however, that if you're looking at job figures for British citizens, then citizenship, not place of birh, is all that matters. Sorry for any confusion!RTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-86865449666728749262010-05-25T12:29:22.332+01:002010-05-25T12:29:22.332+01:00RT - Many thanks for the comment. I have slightly ...RT - Many thanks for the comment. I have slightly amended the first sentence to number three to make my point more clearly. It was more about the Mail using 'foreigner' in its sub-head to describe people who are born abroad. So even immigrants who have become UK citizens aren't quite 'one of us', in their eyes - much like their view of second and third generation immigrants.MacGuffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16894506410560858668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-62819834336112412902010-05-25T10:05:11.493+01:002010-05-25T10:05:11.493+01:00Coming late to the party, I know, and I'm sorr...Coming late to the party, I know, and I'm sorry, but I have to take issue with point 3 - being foreign-born as an indicator of immigrant status. While I haven't seen the article (couldn't face it) and don't know in what terms they framed it (by nationality or birth), according to the UN recommendations on statistics (see url), being outside your country of birth for more than a year is enough to make you an immigrant, in the absence of a better way to measure this phenomenon. The only way you stop being an immigrant is if you move back to your country of birth; citizenship and nationality are irrelevant for this. Now we know this causes problems and is imperfect, for some of the reasons mentioned in the above post(and a whole lot more - Russia is the world's no. 2 country of destination for migrants largely because Russians living in other Soviet Republics moved to Russia after the USSR collapsed, making them "foreign-born" even though, when they were born, it was one country; while Russians who moved to other republics found themselves immigrants when they became independent). But for what it's worth, if they call the foreign-born immigrants, technically they're not wrong.<br /><br />Sorry, I'm a migration nerd, and this is meant to help, not be too critical. I can't argue with your other points, and (by extenstion of what I mentioned above) you're right, by considering the second/third generations as immigrants, they're stretching the word "immigrant" beyond where it should go!RThttp://unstats.un.org/unsd/publication/SeriesM/SeriesM_58rev1E.pdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-4231505342949912402010-04-09T13:54:08.546+01:002010-04-09T13:54:08.546+01:00P.S. @ anonymous: why does it matter where someone...P.S. @ anonymous: why does it matter where someone was born? I thought unemployment pretty much cuts the same wherever your Mother's waters happened to break - or am I being naive here?PippaG83noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-35365710560669703312010-04-09T13:49:05.441+01:002010-04-09T13:49:05.441+01:00As an aside - anyone else noticed how creepily ide...As an aside - anyone else noticed how creepily identical the front pages of these two dross-rags are today? It's uncanny! The only conclusion I can draw is that the daily fail and express are about to mutate into a single, genetically modified hybrid that survives by sucking compassion and rationality from the world.PippaG83noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-83614321511762766112010-04-09T10:36:09.297+01:002010-04-09T10:36:09.297+01:00surely even a daily mail reader would look at thos...surely even a daily mail reader would look at those stats and think - that can't be write? i mean, you just have to look at the people in your office, friendship group, family, life to see the stats are twisted.<br />but then, maybe they would believe them. i don't have much faith left.sianandcrookedribhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00959715300131969670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-21112690964582905482010-04-08T22:50:50.669+01:002010-04-08T22:50:50.669+01:00Every newspaper I have ever worked on has insisted...Every newspaper I have ever worked on has insisted that its readers are Conservative with a small c (never Labour with a small l or Lib Dem with a small ld). The Daily Express seems determined to become the first British newspaper to be Conservative with a small b, n and p. I wonder how many foreigners are employed as cheap labour by the Express group? The proprietor has certainly employed quite a few in his porn mags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-45693205763863656332010-04-08T20:31:43.016+01:002010-04-08T20:31:43.016+01:00maybe there should be more concern for british bor...maybe there should be more concern for british born unemployed people. sorry that would be racist i do appologise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092552783161885712.post-38330842290351759562010-04-08T19:21:01.197+01:002010-04-08T19:21:01.197+01:00I wonder what category they'd put me in. I'...I wonder what category they'd put me in. I'm a Brit but was living in Ireland, and returned to the UK to take up a job.<br />So do they count me as an immigrant? After all, I did come from outside the country and took a job that someone else could have had...Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11230829608600840052noreply@blogger.com